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Post by Emperor Shao on Jul 23, 2006 23:39:34 GMT -5
Ok, actually that sounds like a decent plan. What are a glaive's strengths and weaknesses? Like what kind of troops would you say they would be good against and what would they be bad against? Now that I know that characteristic of them and once I come up with something that they are powerful and poor against I can easily put them on the list. ;D
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Post by Pauly on Jul 23, 2006 23:57:24 GMT -5
Well, they are a polearm, but instead of a point, they have a blade. Think Guan Yu's Blue Dragon. I'm not sure, but I would say that they would be quite effective from horseback. They would have all the efectiveness of a saber or scimitar, but with the reach of a spear. As a result, against spearmen, I would say it would by effective, but against swords, it would probably not be so great. Also, the weight of the blade would make it easily tear hrough lighter armor and shields. And if you just copy and past that, I'll kill you. Nah, jk. But seriously, that's what I think it would be. Someone else might know more about them than I do.
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Post by Emperor Shao on Jul 24, 2006 0:02:50 GMT -5
I'll just say that they're the ultimate horseback anti-mount weapon and are good against both horsemen with swords and horsemen with spears, as well as against horsebowmen, but they fail, like other cavalry units, against infantry spearmen.
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Post by Bo Shifei on Jul 24, 2006 0:07:17 GMT -5
Glaive are effective against two things. Infantry, especially groups given their range and slashing ability. Also against Archers, in the right hands of course..it would take a good amount of training for this to be acceptable against Archers for they would need to learn to deflect arrows, but it's ariel twirling ability gives it this strength.
For a player character they are overwhelming useful in horseback charges and dueling, since they have the reach and speed in a polearm to fight from horseback and being it has range and is quite defensive actually it helps on one on one battles.
If you need more info just ask me..It is my favorite weapon, and my best in reality when fighting.
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Post by Pauly on Jul 24, 2006 0:12:59 GMT -5
Ok, sounds good, though, like I said, I'm not entirely sure they would be good from horse back, but since sabers were designed specifically to be used from horseback, it would make sense, in a way. although, halberds, so I understand, were not effective when used by cavalry, and halberds and glaives are quite similar
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Post by Emperor Shao on Jul 24, 2006 0:14:00 GMT -5
*edits* Thanks guys. They're in the game, though they are a quite expensive tier 3 weapon given their strong points. By now I think at least 2 of the factions can purchase tier 2 weapons, so as long as this game keeps up, glaives could become a powerful fighting tool of the future.
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Post by Bo Shifei on Jul 24, 2006 0:21:39 GMT -5
Shang, the only difference in glaives and halbreds is this. Glaive's lighter and longers with only a sabre/scimitar type blade, while Halbreds are heavy and ment for a man to flail madly on the ground in a group of people. Halbreds have the axe head with the pick on the back and the spear on top for dismounting horsemen, but at a very inaccurate price.
Sorry if I sound like a smartass, I honestly don't mean to. Just weaponry of the era is something I know quite well lol and people should be informed as to not make many mistakes over and over again lol
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Post by Pauly on Jul 24, 2006 0:26:34 GMT -5
Oh, well, I freely admit I know little about most weapons of the era. THough, I was right on most of what I said. I wasn't sure if glaives were lighter or not. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by Bo Shifei on Jul 24, 2006 0:28:35 GMT -5
No problem, anytime. If yall need to know anything else about weaponry, just send me a pm with your question and I'll gladly answer to the best my knowledge.
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Post by Emperor Shao on Jul 24, 2006 1:12:25 GMT -5
Hmm...I was thinking about adding some more advanced troop types, perhaps ones specializing with different weapons. If you know a lot about the period and have ideas for certain unarmed troop types I'd be happy to hear them.
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Post by Bo Shifei on Jul 24, 2006 1:24:49 GMT -5
Unarmed troops? A good type of troop was on that Gan Ning was most known for using.
It's name, Storm Troops : Ideal for quick raids and ambushes. Known to be silent and fast, the only draw back..anything above light armor and they are worthless, and that goes for weapons as well..they carried swords..no more, no less.
Barricader Troops: A favorite of men like Cao Ren and Zhang Liao, known for their defenses. These troops are trained to wield shields as weapons and defenses. They made a line that was not one to be charged, unless you were mounted and even then some were known to dismount horsemen with a flung shield, not likely though.
Dancer Girls: Warriors Whores of their time. Used as assassins. They were sent as gifts to enemies during a peace or a peace negotiation and when dancing would draw a dagger and kill the man they were sent to. Not effective against rulers, more like lower prefects and regional lords. Unless trained to perfection, then it's up to your GM who they can assassinate.
Sailors: A pirate that is trained and paid for his work. Idealized by Wu and The Han at times. A better fighter then most pirates, but worse seaman for his life and labor isn't always the sea. Still a good choice for the civil faction.
Um...that's all I got right now...cuz it's too late to think lol But I will try and get you some more tommorrow if you wish?
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Post by Pauly on Jul 24, 2006 1:35:20 GMT -5
The first two seem too specialized, and the last two seem too useless. Just my opinion.
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Post by Bo Shifei on Jul 24, 2006 1:39:15 GMT -5
Specialization could be a key to victory in some battles when the numbers range and the training ranges.
And you are probably right the last two seem useless especially the Dancer Girls, but the sailors could be a low teir unit to show for their uselessness lol
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Post by Pauly on Jul 24, 2006 1:50:34 GMT -5
Well, I guess you're right. But get rid of the last two, though I do like the idea of the stormtroops.
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Post by Bo Shifei on Jul 24, 2006 1:53:46 GMT -5
Feel free, they are just random ideas for troops, brought on by events in history. Use them or Lose them..either way...glad to try and help lol
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