Facilities II

[Gongsun Ren]

1. Go back to having a max of 5000.

2. Get rid of the Barracks.

[Pauly]

If we drop back to 0 with max of 5000 it will be pefectly balanced. However, axing the barracks makes the leadership skill obsolete, and would most likely force more rule changes, or at least stat changes.

[Sima Mao]

phoenixofdiscordia said:

If we drop back to 0 with max of 5000 it will be pefectly balanced. However, axing the barracks makes the leadership skill obsolete, and would most likely force more rule changes, or at least stat changes.

What he said.

[Gongsun Ren]

We could easily drop the Lead stat and lower the total stat point thing. Three stats, 200 PTD. What of that?

[Pauly]

mmm.... that makes the people who didn't put much in lead lower their other stats though....

[Ge Hong]

So? Price to pay for not picking Leadership... I guess... Oi. I don't know/care anymore. Facilities aren't my thing this game, nor will they be.

[Er Shunruo]

I say keep them but knock it down to 5k. 10k is a little much until of course there are kingdoms with large amounts of officers, then they could be spread across their kingdom. Now if it got to the point where there were a lot of officers in a kingdom then once it gets to 5k there could be a thing where after so many quality posts of upgrading it, it goes to 10k max. Don't think getting rid of a stat is good though, you can use it for rp'ing. Let's say some guy with 3 leadership tries leading 100 militia armed with swords against 10000 heavy armed imperial troops then the battle mod could step in and be like,

"Your troops look at you and say fuck off."

Where as someone with 100 or more leadership could lead horses into spear walls and make them actually believe they can come out on top. Each stat should have an impact in roleplaying. Your strength when you post cutting down enemies, your wisdom when setting up ploys, your leadership when commanding troops, and your charisma when you are dealing with diplomacy.

[Gongsun Ren]

Going by this, your character is mute and ugly. You know that, right?

[Er Shunruo]

No she can talk, just doesn't care too much for sounding all sweet and nice to people, more about leading her troops. She won't say much but to her troops and that's when leadership comes in. She is more gruff in conversation and doesn't hide emotions and what's on her mind to not hurt peoples' feelings. I don't care too much for diplomacy, more combat oriented so I go with the ones that help me out there.

And low charisma doesn't always mean ugly, you could hear someone's voice alone and have them inspire you without ever having seen their face.

[Gongsun Ren]

I'm referring to how you have 0. If it was 5, maybe, but I interpret 0 as having no charisma. Like, at all. In fact, people throw things at you on the street because you seem so unlikable.

That's just my opinion, though.

[Pauly]

gryffin said:

I'm referring to how you have 0. If it was 5, maybe, but I interpret 0 as having no charisma. Like, at all. In fact, people throw things at you on the street because you seem so unlikable.

That's just my opinion, though.

And that's why Er's idea won't work. everyone's opinion on what level of what stat does what is going to be different.

[Er Shunruo]

Charisma isn't how much people like you, it's about how well you can sway people into following/listening/believing you. Kinda strange how they have leadership and charisma seperate when they are kind of the same so here, way I see it leadership has to do with troops and charisma has to do with civilians.

[Gongsun Ren]

Indeed. Might I suggest we change that to Economics or something?

[Kong Fa Xu]

I still say that 1000 is a perfectly acceptable number for the barracks to max out at. It still gives people something to upgrade with their grossly overinflated leadership scores, and it still gives a very large number (comparatively speaking with how many you could buy) of troops for free every week, but it isn't so ridiculously huge as to give people massive juggernauts of militia-based armies. Since all these points seem to be the main points of contention, why was this not an option on the poll?

[Er Shunruo]

Actually I was thinking Leadership could include Charisma into it's meaning and instead of the fourth stat being Charisma we call it Diplomacy. Economics could work too, would fit for market facilities.