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Post by Ge Hong on Jul 27, 2006 14:52:27 GMT -5
How about you stop taking away my staff privelages... WTF man?
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Post by Sio on Jul 27, 2006 15:13:07 GMT -5
Ever thought of letting all the admins/mods or anyone you choose make a rebellion/uprising.
Like the Yellow Turbans but different.
All of a sudden a force begins to attack cities and take them over and basically annoy the kingdoms and crap.
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Post by Jorge on Jul 27, 2006 15:19:24 GMT -5
>.> You can do that we don't plan battles >.> All choices of battle are made by your ruler. We just come into moderate buddy
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Post by ~Traptz~ on Jul 28, 2006 19:06:48 GMT -5
yeah I have one....Unban SLick...
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Post by Jorge on Jul 28, 2006 19:08:44 GMT -5
I did >.> Slick was never banned after all >.> Just tricked into thinking he couldn't be here
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Post by ~Traptz~ on Jul 28, 2006 19:23:16 GMT -5
Ooook.....Then why tell the hwole site he was banned?
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Post by Pauly on Jul 28, 2006 19:33:00 GMT -5
Actually, Matt banned him so they could fix what he messed up, then Lyle unbanned him so... he was actually banned...
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Yao Chi
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Post by Yao Chi on Jul 30, 2006 13:40:05 GMT -5
ok changing the subject slightly I notice that you can buy 10 Elephants for a small amount of gold. Do you not think this is slightly on the bizarre side? Elephants were the tanks of the ancient world, they caused fear and mass damage to armies. When Hannibal crossed the Alps to invade Italy he only had 37 Elephants. You could have a scenario where somebody came onto the battlefield with over 100 Elephants. that would never happen (Unless it happened in the east, I know very little about eastern history) Do you not think it would be better to make Elephants much more expensive and harder to buy and say you can only buy fifty at the very most. Then youve got to ask the question, who actually catches all these Elephants?
Also I notice that you have said that slingers are not very good, I have to disagree with that. Slingers are far more accurate than bows. For a while I was involved in a Dark ages reenactment society and I have used a sling shot and a bow. With a sling using an orange I could hit a football post 9 times out of 10 when I was standing at the opposite end. I found it impossible to hit a target with a bow when I was no more than a few feet away. Also the power of a skilled slinger is far greater than that of a bowman (I'm assuming longbows are not used here). I only say this because from experience I would rather face a man with a bow than a man with a sling, they can take your head off.
Though this is all based on Europeans. I have no idea what Eastern weapons were like so if I'm talking out of my ass and Chinese slings were ineffective and elephants easy to come by I apologise. Just noticed this in the troop purchasing and it seemed odd to me.
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Post by Ge Hong on Jul 30, 2006 16:14:36 GMT -5
You are absolutely Right.
But then again, they weren't using Orange sized rocks. They are using pebbles, and pretty much buckshotting them against the enemy, with a far slower velocity.
In Asia, they weren't fond of direct firing arrows, as hell, you'd have to make lines of men that way. Arrows were often fired from the sitting position, holding the bow with your legs, and pulling back with BOTH hands. The extra strength that two arms can give gives the arrows a REALLY long distance, with huge power. Innacurate, yes, but 2,000 arrows, mixed with ballista fire, often proves fatal to enemies.
Go watch the movie Hero. The battle with the Qin archers against the writing school, is pretty much the best example, although its a little off. They'd usually only get one volley in, before the enemy charged with cavalry. The battle they were fighting was against a bunch of unarmed writers.
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Post by adray on Jul 30, 2006 16:44:26 GMT -5
They are not very good because of the reason stated - They are not powerful weapons, are you going to say that stone, or rock is more damaging than a sharp point on a stick coming at you are 200 odd miles an hour (Just a guess) seriously I have been knocked out by a stone, but had to go to hospital when I cut my hand open when a glass window broke, and that wasn't even that deep compared with what an arrow would do, plus the way arrows are made means you cannot pull them out without making an even bigger hole, some had to push them out their backs if they were hit from the front, as it was the only way of getting it out. Plus arrows could go through small shields, something stones cannot. No matter of accruacy can change this. So you would prefer to die from bloodloss, than be knocked out and die peacefully when unconcious... weird guy you are...
Also bows are called better because of their much greater range, I would say for accuracy yes a sling is better, but overall a bow is far better. If we put a sling and a bow into a small table I will show why I believe this to be so (Of course I could be wrong, but I am stating this on evidence from a few games, and some battles I have read before including Medeival (sp) and Roman times.
Sling Power - 3 Speed - 4 Range - 3 Accuracy - 5
Bow Power - 4-5 (depending on bow type) Speed - 5 Range - 4-5 (depending on bow type) Accuracy - 3-5 (depending on bow type)
So if we were to add up the lowest values of each and put the overall number it would be a far as I am concerned the following:
Bow - 16 Sling - 15
pretty close, but that is for the regular bow, other bows would be far better in comparison, and honestly I did that with the least amount of biasness I could possibly give, it would have been sling - 14 but I added some after I thought about it, and I did think about it after putting them here, and I still agree with them.
Anyway yes, drop the elephants, it is not Dynasty Warriors, and it is a bit lame for anyone who has to fight these it would be like *Shoots a volley of arrows at the elephants* and reply would be *The elephants skin is to strong that the arrows simply rebound off it like a game of pinball, the elephants grind over the troops and decapitate them in the process, the enemy are crushed into small particles of dust, which myself quickly begun to blow away in mocking sweeps of my putrid breath*
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Post by Don't Reregister account Aruzo on Jul 31, 2006 6:39:43 GMT -5
Elephants shouldn't be in the game anyway. They only existed far in the south and no kingdom is in the south. So they haven't even been discovered by now...
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Post by Jorge on Jul 31, 2006 9:22:31 GMT -5
Heh Elephants stay as their is oil in their skin and without oil how can you make a fire attack? Elephants can't go into mountainous or high terrain. Elephants can die in 5-6 fire arrows
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Post by Yao Chi on Jul 31, 2006 15:46:27 GMT -5
ok point taken, but the point I was trying to make was that you are far more likely to avoid an arrow from a bow than a stone from a sling. If you had a man in front of you with a bow and a man in front of you with a sling your damn right I would choose the bow, the chances are he would miss, the chances are a slinger would not. Longbows yes, but at this stage Longbows are not used. Its either short bows which have a range of about 100 yards or composite bows which have a range of about 150 yards. Now slings on the other hand have a range of 200-300 yards. You've got to get it out of your head that all bows were like English Longbows because they weren't at all. Short bows in particular were a very weak shoddy weapon, they had no better a range than a musket. I'm not sure what you mean by that but games are not really a great source of accurate information, and neither is the Internet. Books are the only way you can be sure the information is true and not made up or exaggerated for game,ing purposes. Basing it on Medieval times is ludicrous, technology had advanced far further in the era this site is set. Longbows I agree are much much much better than slings but we are not talking about longbows, we are talking about short bows and at best composite bows. Actually I'd say this Sling Power-3 (I agree about power) Speed-5 (traveling) Speed-3 (loading) Range-5 Accuracy-5 Bow Power-4 for a short bow, 5 for a Composite bow Speed-3 for a short bow, 5 for a Composite bow (traveling) Speed-5 for both whilst loading Range-3 for a short bow, 4 for a composite bow Accuracy-2 for a short bow, 3 for a composite bow of course it was longbows we were using then everything would be 5, but we aren't. I'm not saying that slings should be made better than bows, but I do think slings should be made better, because they are far better weapons than this site gives them credit for. that sounds silly to me but your the admin, you know what I think.
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Post by Pauly on Aug 1, 2006 1:52:15 GMT -5
What about crossbows?
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Post by Don't Reregister account Aruzo on Aug 1, 2006 6:38:51 GMT -5
What's with them?
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