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Post by Adam on Sept 2, 2006 7:30:43 GMT -5
Post ooc posts here and not in the battle thanks.
Current main issue: The voiding of the Sansu attack. Should a failure to battle properly and a failure of planning ultimately effect a battle planned by Wo for this area, the godmodding of Sansu and the way they went about the battle now means that it is voided, and could mean suddenly an entire Sansu force can occupy what should be a barely occupied city.
Why should Wo have to face an enemy which posted leaving the capital, posted moving all those troops, and posted attacking somewhere else.
I speak only what I think to be right under the circumstances, my forces used initive while I was gone, and went to a lot of trouble to attack at a time Sansu Made themselves weak. I don't know what the admins feel but that is what I do, I am thinking more of my officers who planned this than me just being a leader, if they are allowed in the castle, it just means bigger losses for Sansu anyway, but that wouldn't make it fair in the sense my forces will be wanting.
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Post by Sun Qi on Sept 2, 2006 8:14:23 GMT -5
Listen, I didn't god mod, so dont you place me under the damn catagory as the rest of them.
Also, a mod already fucking said the battle is voided. since Okiyama is voided, we're all still here. If you want to take our capital and break the treaty, you have to deal with the entire Sansu army. You dont like it or feel it's not fair? Tough luck, get over it.
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Post by Bo Shifei on Sept 2, 2006 11:02:51 GMT -5
Okay. The battle at Okiyama was voided. Meaning it never happened. Nothing to do with it happened. The Sansu who went there, never moved. Wo may still attack the Sansu, this has not changed. Just the enemy you are up against has.
Wo has all right to be pissed for the mishap, but that doesn't changed what happened. Wo may, since the circumstances of this fight have changed, withdraw from the field and this whole engagement will be forgotten. If they choose to stay and battle on, and they do win. It will be as normal. Wo will take over the Sansu Capital, thus all Sansu land will go to Wo. Failure only means Wo is defeated and Sansu keep their territory.
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Post by Sun Qi on Sept 2, 2006 11:20:14 GMT -5
Exactly, but Wo just wants an easy victory, and their gonna bitch cause they dont get it.
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Post by Adam on Sept 2, 2006 11:31:34 GMT -5
Sorry and you two became staff when exactly?
Anyway whether we fight or leave is down to Ryan (Yan Xing) what he decides is more practical it happens.
It's not really tough look though is it, the fact of the matter still remains that anyone could do the same, have a go at a city, if it fails just do a bit of posting to get it all voided, and ding dang doo I am back at the capital, o happy days.
I'm not the one who said you godmodded, I was using wording from another person. Realistically tell me how you can plan to attack, post doing it then arrive back here? Tell me realistically how an army can sail and come back so quick to reinforce a city with barely any defences??? This battle was done very soon after you posted leaving, at that point the battle was no voided, I see no real good reason why just because some cannot attack propperly means we have to suffer in what we planned.
It is like me going to the market with a knife, slitting someones throat then a copper going "Thats an autohit you noob, back to your house!" then pulls out a magic wand and i am back in my bedroom with my guitar strapped around me. Except you have passed over around my forces territory, around rocky areas with boats, posted landing, and then think you can just pop back when you have not only my territory with a decent defence force in it but also a large amount of water mass which will make returning even more the slower.
I am always up for being made wrong, but when you make no attempt to back up how this could have all happened, apart from using little loopholes that these rpgs have, then I have no reason to listen to you. If you use realistic ways you can return, then I am fine and will listen. If you intend not to do something then do not post, simple as that, why should we suffer because you cannot seem to carry on ur plans. As soon as you knew about this you all flocked here, firstly battles are real time, this is as far as I am concerned a quick battle, the time frame we did it in, is in rpg time probably a week maybe. Meaning you could not arrive here in time to even see us kill your garrison commander. It would be taken and your force none the wiser of the take over, and you would probably (RL proberly) dock in your old capital, and be destroyed there easily.
Ok here we go the for and against lets weigh up our arguments shall we:
For People to turn up like magic: Voided Battle
Against peopple turning up like magic: Water mass inbetween battlefield and the islands planned to attack. Posted leaving Planned leaving Planned leaving without a good defence Planned witht he units used Posted in the battle with the units Posted in battle showing weak defence Our attack started before yours was VOIDED meaning we had a battle while you did Our territory is closer to the islands meaning you would have to sail the longer course incase we attacked with siege weapons and archers. Rocky near island coasts meaning slow sailing would need to be done to avoide deaths. We are attacking fairly and at a time where they had barely a defence
A bit one sided, no? so please tell me why you should be allowed to do this...
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Post by brandon on Sept 2, 2006 11:40:48 GMT -5
I am going to give you the load down on everything. What happened is I defected to join Akurei, right? And so did Hideyoshi Toyotomi. Apparently Hideyoshi never rpged before and started godmodding and then everything went crazy from there. The point is nothing was normal because no guy would jump out a window and live and magically find a boat, and get in Jin's house. Second, I dont see how you guys would knok in real history that the Sansu left and appereard at their doorstep. Everything went mad and we all made mistakes. I would love to continue this, but If you really want a war, are two kingdoms can meet and either one falls or one wins.
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Post by Adam on Sept 2, 2006 11:52:02 GMT -5
We are at war, and this battle is against ur capital, your main supply base, the place which will competely demoralise your troops, and stop your main source of income. Ultimatley it will destroy you if we take it. This is a battle for your survival, and I am not going to throw that away to make a battle where we both have the ultimate battle, meaning that instead of just you in trouble it is both of us. I am not toally sure what you are trying to say, but thanks for the news update none the less. If you are trying to say you are unsure how we could know of this attack then you really need to learn about how armies have worked for many centuries of war. I doubt any partially sensible ruler is going to have one of his cities next to the enemy and not have a few scouts/spies in the other city. You still have most nations doing the same now, aka America, Russian and Uk just to name a few. But you also had it back in pre-medieval times, Caesar used them to attack his fellow consul in northern Macedonia, the British used it against the French in order to learn of higher ground to use against the French Knights which worked very well. and I am sure there are many other occasions that less technological nations used such tactics to find out useful information to use against their enemies. We knew you were going to battle, and when we made this battle nothing was voided, and nothing was wrong, so thinking about that, how come just because you did things wrong we should have to deal with higher numbers of men than we should be? The question still stands with no one seeming to want to touch it. But please keep posting I can probably counter most things you throw at me, with my own facts to futher back up my point. It is funny how people are trying to post against me but it is just making my case stronger EDIT[/u] Battle Post made at:Thread Started on Today at 12:05am The Sansu Battle Voided at:Thread Started on Today at 3:09am (GMT time) Thought you may want proof that indeed our battle did start before the voided Sansu battle. It started just over 3 hours before the even mention of a void was done by Paul.
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Post by brandon on Sept 2, 2006 12:02:05 GMT -5
I have nothing against you. But where you the one who put my karma down? Because thats upsetting if you did. I know a lot about war fare. And every aspect of it. What im trying to say is everything after this post-and after this page in the castle is a mess. cod3k.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=okinawa&action=display&thread=1157129848&page=3((Im going to get a task going))
In the distance,Hideyoshi hears loud yells that sound like battle.As Hideyoshi runs to find out what the noise is he is passed by many troops
With Mitsunari close on his heels Hideyoshi comes upon a large riot in front of the palace gates.Hideyoshi thinks this is a perfect time to show his loyalty to Kiriyama.
Even with the soldiers he cannot quell the riot.The gate guards rush into the riot as well as more soldiers......and many more peasants.
Its a fight between soldiers and peasantsBut I am just trying to say, dont cry about this and move on. If this game was real, a ruler wouldn't jump out a window and my plan would have succeded, but It didnt. I don't mind continuing arguments, since its fun, but the mods said everything was void, including the army attacking the Akurei. That means there back in our territory. They wouldn't march there for no reason.
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Ai Yazawa
Potential Ronin
Taka comin' atcha, you man whore!
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Post by Ai Yazawa on Sept 2, 2006 12:10:58 GMT -5
"500 of my guards are dsitracting your 600 men 300 defections from your side along with the peasants and i set fire to your palace."
And if this game was real, 300 soldiers wouldn't just defect on the spot, so go figure, nor would a palace just "set on fire" magically without some sort of fuel or help from piled wood etc.
Whats done is done, delete the posts and threads and pretend it never happened.
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Post by brandon on Sept 2, 2006 12:13:57 GMT -5
Thats what I was thinking. Its like you read my mind. A boat would never burn that fast, and have a army within a palace. A whole Sansu fleet couldn't reach your kingdom in time as quick as it did. A whole Wo attack couldnt reach that quick either. And yeah, I agree. Let everything stop and go back to normal.
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Ai Yazawa
Potential Ronin
Taka comin' atcha, you man whore!
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Post by Ai Yazawa on Sept 2, 2006 12:17:26 GMT -5
*hug*
i'm so glad not everyone in OOC threads has to resort to bitchiness.
like that Wan cheng thing...jeez it's like a bunch of old ladies.
ANYHOO
Delete the threads, and if Sansu or Wo decide to attack they can start over from scratch.
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Post by Adam on Sept 2, 2006 12:33:34 GMT -5
I havn't been bitching, I have just laid what I think down on the table, I have backed up nearly every point I have made. It was not me who put yours Karma down, I don't know if you can tell, but I have far more important things in life than holding personal grudges on rp sites And Wancheng is like that because it is a bunch of old ladies fighting XD The whole Wo attack could reach there too, seeing as though our borders touch you capital, and the regions do not exactly state where a capital city is. On the other hand you have crossed a vast amount of water in comparison to the small trek we have to do. plus you have to go there AND back. No point in trying to make me sound like our battle could not be done so soon, even when if we did it a few weeks later you still probably wouldn't arrive in time to save your capital city. I already have spoken with an admin of this site other than myself and other than the mod modding here. And he agrees with what I am saying, not sure what the others think, but that shows I am not just being pathetic and moaning for no good reason. ... Umm no, we have stated that is the battle we are going to fight and where it will be fought, if we are to fight you that will be it, I am not going to remove a topic with posts my officers have spent time writing just to make a new one just so you can all turn up without all this hassel.
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Post by Sun Qi on Sept 2, 2006 12:49:02 GMT -5
Point black you dumb ass MOD SAID THE BATTLE WAS VOID, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE BATTLE, FINE, BUT YOU DEAL WITH THE WHOLE SANSU ARMY!!
I'm fucking sick of your bull shit, stop whining like a bitch and deal. You and your men are so god damn cocky about how you could take our whole army anyways. PROVE IT!
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Post by Jin on Sept 2, 2006 13:08:05 GMT -5
(You tell him Sun Fei, if you want a battle with Sansu well destroy you're precious little kingdom.)
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Post by Shawn on Sept 2, 2006 13:10:40 GMT -5
Im sory to but in like this but.. Sun Fei...Lay the hell off. Take some Prozac man..and Jin..Learn how to rp...Im not saying im better than anyone but seriously dude you suck.
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